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QUOTE ((~Ambrose~ @ Feb 27 2011, 04:23 AM))
I saw this and I had to throw in my two cents....

I have to respectfully disagree...Gun laws are pretty pointless... Take for example the kids that did Columbine, they broke over 20 gun laws in order to go into that school and kill those kids. Do you really think 20 more would have stopped them? So basically we're stripping the public of the ability to defend themselves, and making it easier for criminals to harm us.

Let me put it this way, when was the last time you heard of something like Columbine or V-Tech happen in Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Russia, Australia, Japan too name just a few? Countries with gun control laws. I'm not too sure and I'd be interested to see figures, but I'm also sure these countries have a much lower over all rate of violent crime. Thus disproving your point in its entirety.

QUOTE ((~Ambrose~ @ Feb 27 2011, 04:23 AM))
The other reason why gun laws are detrimental to public safety is the possibility of a government gone bad. That was the whole purpose of the 2nd Amendment to the American Constitution, was to protect us as the people from that possibility. If you look at history, you'll see that one of the first things dictators like Stalin and Hitler did in order to obtain complete power over the people was to implement gun control.

Ah but you're cherry picking history. The UK is about ready to overthrow our government, does that mean we'll be storming parliament with rifles bared? No, it means we will have made our point with protests and votes, you know, like a democracy... and we aren't even a democracy. Also before you mention Hitler, bare in mind he was democratically elected and though he may have been a ruthless warlord, he was not a despotic leader. He was what the German populace wanted at the time... because he gave them a scapegoat for their countries failing economy. Am I justifying what he did? No I am not, what I am saying is comparing him to someone like Stalin is inappropriate.

Speaking of WWII, for all the war atrocities others have committed, at least they never dropped nuclear armaments on civilian targets... but that's a debate for another time.

There you go, talking point for your next history class.

QUOTE ((~Ambrose~ @ Feb 27 2011, 04:23 AM))
That's not to say there shouldn't be background checks and whatnot... handing a gun to anybody that walked in would simply be unintelligent. But restricting the ownership of weapons as much as they do is achieving exactly the opposite of what the original intent was.

And tell me, do you know what their exact original intent was? Have you travelled back in time and asked them what they really meant when they made this, because I guarantee their response would be something akin too;
"Whatchu talkin' 'bout crazy foo'? This shizzle just so no red coat can get all up in yo' hizzy and give yo shiz fo' bein' colonial an' shit... man homies best drop that shiz when tha batty brit boyeez head all on up to their own hizzy. Shit jus' got real."
Or however they spoke back then, but essentially I am pretty damn sure, of course this is my theory, that their main intent was to keep the law modular, so they may keep it all relevant.

QUOTE ((~Ambrose~ @ Feb 27 2011, 04:23 AM))
I am patriotic to what America stood for when it began, a free country with government "Of the People, For the People, and By the People" and for the original American dream that if you were willing to work hard enough, you could achieve anything regardless of your background. I don't like the way our government is headed, I will admit, but I love my America.

Anywho... that's all I wanted to say lol......

And yet you aren't free, you are tethered too an increasingly irrelevant piece of parchment, your entire social structure is ageing and creaking under the pressures of modern life, as your government exerts more control over you then ever before... thats before the Obama administration even, hell even Clinton was known for it, your country, where in a religious organisation wasn't allowed to live as free as it wanted too, because your military fired tank shells into their compound. America hasn't been free and it certainly hasn't been "by the people" for a long long time. If you truly believe in a free country with a government of the people, then may I suggest you release yourselves from the shackles of the history and look away from yourselves and take inspiration for how to not only ensure your country and philosophies are still relevant but so are your peoples views and way of life.
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I'm coming out in hives... the 2nd Amendment was mentioned again...
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I come from a country where guns are pretty much forbidden under any circumstances.
Only the police force and certain security companies are allowed to carry guns.
Have to say one of the things the government did right was its tough law enforcement. That's not to say there's no crime but I feel safe anywhere I go that guns would be pretty much useless.
I have more chance of running into ghosts at night than muggers or the such.
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QUOTE (~Ambrose~)
If you look at history, you'll see that one of the first things dictators like Stalin and Hitler did in order to obtain complete power over the people was to implement gun control.

OH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
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Godwin's law...
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Fighting violence with violence is never the best of ideas.

I don't think guns or weapons of any sort should be easily accessible, stupid people like to think it will protect them.
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QUOTE (Gru @ Feb 27 2011, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fighting violence with violence is never the best of ideas.

I don't think guns or weapons of any sort should be easily accessible, stupid people like to think it will protect them.

In the right situation, it actually could save your life. But yes, I think we should make it harder for people to get a hold of guns.Though that might just encourage more illegal gun purchases.

Also, where I live, a lot of people like to go hunting to get food and whatnot, so you can't assume all people want guns just to shoot people/"protect" themselves. I apologise if none of this made sense, I'm still half asleep. >.>
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QUOTE (O Brave New World @ Feb 27 2011, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Godwin's law...

That's the secondary reason it's so fucking infuriating. The primary reason is that it's, you know, a fucking lie. At least in Hitler's case.

Jesus fucking Christ. Why do complete fucking retards always have to refer to Hitler and the Nazis in every single fucking discussion when someone disagrees? And why are they always making up the most retarded fucking bullshit? Shut the fuck up.
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QUOTE (Dr. Numb-Nuts @ Feb 27 2011, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In the right situation, it actually could save your life. But yes, I think we should make it harder for people to get a hold of guns.Though that might just encourage more illegal gun purchases.

Also, where I live, a lot of people like to go hunting to get food and whatnot, so you can't assume all people want guns just to shoot people/"protect" themselves. I apologise if none of this made sense, I'm still half asleep. >.>

The problem is though that it shouldn't matter. It's illegal to murder people but people still do it and always will, it still shouldn't be legal though. The other problem is that just having tighter gun control isn't going to solve the problem. It will help but it seems that there's an obsession with guns in the States. Not many folk care over here. I know one person who has a couple of rifles and that's it. Those are only used for clay pigeon shooting though. It's a social problem that needs sorting alongside decent gun control.

QUOTE (Algernon @ Feb 27 2011, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the secondary reason it's so fucking infuriating. The primary reason is that it's, you know, a fucking lie. At least in Hitler's case.

Jesus fucking Christ. Why do complete fucking retards always have to refer to Hitler and the Nazis in every single fucking discussion when someone disagrees? And why are they always making up the most retarded fucking bullshit? Shut the fuck up.

Whenever there's a bad guy in history people will make up stuff about them and no one will argue against it because they are worried people will see them as a sympathiser. If you said Hitler humped goats then people would take it as gospel even though there's no proof.
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QUOTE (Teh Chad @ Feb 27 2011, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whenever there's a bad guy in history people will make up stuff about them and no one will argue against it because they are worried people will see them as a sympathiser. If you said Hitler humped goats then people would take it as gospel even though there's no proof.

I'm waiting for the attack on me for pointing out he was elected and actually, military and personal views aside was a good leader, charismatic and he brought jobs too his people.
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QUOTE (Rellik San @ Feb 27 2011, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm waiting for the attack on me for pointing out he was elected and actually, military and personal views aside was a good leader, charismatic and he brought jobs too his people.

ON NO YOU DIDN'T JUST GO THERE?!
You could also say that the Allies, post World War I, were as guilty as anyone for creating a situation where Hitler could get voted in. Well, you could say it because that's what happened any way but shush.
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QUOTE (Teh Chad @ Feb 27 2011, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ON NO YOU DIDN'T JUST GO THERE?!
You could also say that the Allies, post World War I, were as guilty as anyone for creating a situation where Hitler could get voted in. Well, you could say it because that's what happened any way but shush.

HEY YOU! DID YOU JUST SAY THE ALLIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NAZI'S?
How dare you imply a perfectly accurate if unsavoury truth about history.
We all know that everyone was evil, Hitler had us all by the bollocks, the resistance was 3 French people in a smoky bar stroking their beards and that only the American soldiers survived and did anything.
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QUOTE (Rellik San @ Feb 27 2011, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HEY YOU! DID YOU JUST SAY THE ALLIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NAZI'S?
How dare you imply a perfectly accurate if unsavoury truth about history.
We all know that everyone was evil, Hitler had us all by the bollocks, the resistance was 3 French people in a smoky bar stroking their beards and that only the American soldiers survived and did anything.

Well yeah. Hitler did it all while performing fellatio on a deer too. True fact. Remember to include that in your history papers kids!
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I was anticipating for this thread, now that i have read it, i assume it may get more interesting
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QUOTE (Teh Chad @ Feb 27 2011, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yeah. Hitler did it all while performing fellatio on a deer too. True fact. Remember to include that in your history papers kids!

Proof that men can multi-task.
Don't forget too Eva Braun was a man in drag.
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QUOTE (Teh Chad @ Feb 27 2011, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem is though that it shouldn't matter. It's illegal to murder people but people still do it and always will, it still shouldn't be legal though. The other problem is that just having tighter gun control isn't going to solve the problem. It will help but it seems that there's an obsession with guns in the States. Not many folk care over here. I know one person who has a couple of rifles and that's it. Those are only used for clay pigeon shooting though. It's a social problem that needs sorting alongside decent gun control.

Yes, but not all people who want a gun are bad. There are those who want one incase they run across a person who got their gun illegaly, and most likely want to use it for illegal actions. America's not the safest place, and if I was to run across a person who was going to shoot me, I'd feel a bit safer knowing I could shoot first. Not saying I'd feel comfortable aiming a gun at someone, but still. I guess what I'm saying, if I'm saying anything, is that people aren't going to stop getting guns, and I'd rather have people getting registered and licensed if they're going to be carrying a dangerous weapon, rather than them get the same weapon illegaly, and not be registered.
That made so much more sense in my head. sad.gif
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QUOTE (Rellik San @ Feb 27 2011, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Proof that men can multi-task.
Don't forget too Eva Braun was a man in drag.

Revisionism is win. People don't need to learn from history, they just need to change it and make everyone else learn accordingly.
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QUOTE (Dr. Numb-Nuts @ Feb 27 2011, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, but not all people who want a gun are bad. There are those who want one incase they run across a person who got their gun illegaly, and most likely want to use it for illegal actions. America's not the safest place, and if I was to run across a person who was going to shoot me, I'd feel a bit safer knowing I could shoot first. Not saying I'd feel comfortable aiming a gun at someone, but still. I guess what I'm saying, if I'm saying anything, is that people aren't going to stop getting guns, and I'd rather have people getting registered and licensed if they're going to be carrying a dangerous weapon, rather than them get the same weapon illegaly, and not be registered.
That made so much more sense in my head. sad.gif

But surely if a person was going to level a weapon at you and wait for you to draw yours their intention to kill can't be that strong, yet you drawing your weapon would cause them to panic and increase the likelihood of you being shot. If their intent was to kill they would shoot you before you had a chance too draw your weapon. So your logic doesn't make any sense. The fact is if your intent is self defence, there are alternatives, mace and tasers, too name just a few. Unless you're a hunter, people only buy guns to kill other people, if its for display, you can buy decommissioned fire arms. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, just having guns makes it so much easier.

QUOTE (Teh Chad @ Feb 27 2011, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Revisionism is win. People don't need to learn from history, they just need to change it and make everyone else learn accordingly.

As the saying going history is written by the victors... but in this case the Chads and Rellz too. smile.gif
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QUOTE (Dr. Numb-Nuts @ Feb 27 2011, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, but not all people who want a gun are bad. There are those who want one incase they run across a person who got their gun illegaly, and most likely want to use it for illegal actions. America's not the safest place, and if I was to run across a person who was going to shoot me, I'd feel a bit safer knowing I could shoot first. Not saying I'd feel comfortable aiming a gun at someone, but still. I guess what I'm saying, if I'm saying anything, is that people aren't going to stop getting guns, and I'd rather have people getting registered and licensed if they're going to be carrying a dangerous weapon, rather than them get the same weapon illegaly, and not be registered.
That made so much more sense in my head. sad.gif

Never said they were all bad. As I pointed out, I have a friend who owns guns.

What you say is proof that it's some kind of mentality people have when it comes to guns. It's pretty obvious that guns to stop the bad guys is not working. If the government really wanted to stop crime then they would try and stop America's gun culture from the ground up.

QUOTE (Rellik San @ Feb 27 2011, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But surely if a person was going to level a weapon at you and wait for you to draw yours their intention to kill can't be that strong, yet you drawing your weapon would cause them to panic and increase the likelihood of you being shot. If their intent was to kill they would shoot you before you had a chance too draw your weapon. So your logic doesn't make any sense.


As the saying going history is written by the victors... but in this case the Chads and Rellz too. smile.gif

Damn skippy!
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Wasn't Hitler Time's man of the year 1930-something?
Also lol @ rellik tearing every one of this guy's arguments apart.
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