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The Effects Of Our Overly Sexualized Culture On Our Youth

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Are you kidding me? :l

Don't you SEE that there doesn't have to be a direct "go have sex" message? Kids see "I love to do x in bed" and don't think "oh that person is much older than me", they think "this person is cool and they're doing x, I should be doing that too". It's not necessarily even a conscious thought. That was a ridiculous post. And no MOST sexually active teenagers don't get STDs or pregnant, perhaps you should try to better inform yourself.


Right, no. Yes, 'children' can be INFLUENCED by what they read or see, that doesn't mean their actions are dictated by that. You seem to be under the impression kids are all mindless things that walk around and 'monkey see monkey do', I think you're completely forgetting what YOU were like at that age. You didn't feel too young to try things and no matter how many times someone called you a kid, you'd still reserve that term for someone younger than even yourself. Yeah it's easier to influence young adults the younger they get, but they have their own free will and make their own decisions. They can decide for themselves whether to partake in sexual acts, if the desire is there they'll do it regardless of input from the internet. The internet is absolutely full of things that are much worse than this.
At the end of the day, what do you expect from a gender and sexuality section? Kids are curious, they're gonna ask questions they're curious about but can't ask anyone else, that's what this section is for. It isnt' like there's anything particualrly explicit in any of the threads, the fetish one is mainly basic, rather tame stuff. We'd rather they asked questions and got good answers HERE rather than figure this stuff out when it's too alte, education is far better than ignorance. It's the rules of the section not to post anything considered too crude, and we stick to that, but all kids around the age of 13 begin to become curious about sex related things, hell I know I did. I read up on all sorts of stuff when I first found out about it but that didn't affect my decision to have sex in a direct way, I didn't read someone who would say 'I like bondage' and think YEAH IM GONNA GO TRY THAT NOW. You need to have a bit more respect for 'kids' and realise most of them are smarter than you seem to think, I knew at that age I was too young and I wanted to save it for when i'd enjoy it. You seem to have a prejudice against kids.


edit: At the end of the day, what's being said is correct. you can have your opinion that kids are over sexualised, and we believe that we're informing kids, not pushing them into anything. We aren't saying YEAH GO HAVE SEX IT'S GREAT. That would be a different balll game. But the parents allowing their children on the internet where this kinda stuff is so easily accesible is NOT our responsibility, we aren't babysitters and they must have a level of trust in their kids to let them do that. If they don't, it isn't our problem. We can't limit the content of a forum so much when all ages of people join, but there is a parents note in the newbies section and the rules of this section are clear.


edit edit: also, I hope you're enjoying belittling some of our younger members, hope it feels big and mature to do that. Want a prize for that?
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Yes of course it's disgusting for children to have sex, but the problem it seems here is what people classify as children and maturity. I'd just like to point out here that I learnt about sex education when I was 11. I learnt about birth, pregnancy, sex and all the stuff that comes along with it. Everything most people my age are experiencing now, I learnt about it an early age. Is that wrong? That I was taught what to expect when I'm older? Having said that, some could argue that learning that at my age would either make me eager and very promiscous regarding sex. It's a misconception most will make. It's a totally different boundary, my brother who is currently 15 is very mature and can make very wise decisions, sometimes even better decisions than those who have twenty years on him. Now, is he still a child who can't make his own decisions in your view? Bear in mind he's also been exposed to sex education and such. It's a matter of perspective and saying this to a teenager really would not help the cause. If I told a teen that 'No, you can't do this because you're too young.' That would only make them want to do it, or become annoyed at the barrier that has been created. You have to explain and show your understanding, not throw a cloak of ignorance over them. Also keep in mind that they can make their own decisions, they have choices too.

Right, so you call me 'young and flippant', hope that I would 'never be a parent' and now I'm 'impolite and hypocritical'. Sorry hun, just thought you said I was being rude to you. Because you're obviously mistaken, call me what you will but I'm not rude. Not even to strangers on the internet. I shared my opinion, in a nice way doll. I'm never rude nor am I impolite. Also, how is that being rude to you? I merely summed up what type of persona you put across through your posts. That's how you seem to me, it's not my fault that you don't like it.

I was never talking about sex education. Being informed and being influenced are two very different things. I've said this several times. Why can't you understand that? It seems as if you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Um, no.

It's completely relevant to this thread. Again, most of us are not fucking kids. I'm a fucking adult. We're free to talk about things like that. Plus, it's in the right goddamn section. Why do I have to be responsible for others? I'm not, and I don't have to be. If you don't like it, ignore it. Or just don't sign up for an account. As someone who has been here over a year, you get used to it.

There is no need for that kind of language. It's offensive and reflects badly on you. I think you have a self control issue.
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There is no need for that kind of language. It's offensive and reflects badly on you. I think you have a self control issue.


LOL, whatever.

Now I'm convinced you're a really bad troll.
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edit edit: also, I hope you're enjoying belittling some of our younger members, hope it feels big and mature to do that. Want a prize for that?

thankii :D :D
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I was never talking about sex education. Being informed and being influenced are two very different things. I've said this several times. Why can't you understand that? It seems as if you're just arguing for the sake of it.


There is no need for that kind of language. It's offensive and reflects badly on you. I think you have a self control issue.


I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. I'm pretty sure that sex education comes under exposure of sex, right? I mean, children or teens are being exposed to sex via education. Yes, you say it several times. You make your point, say someone else's points are wrong and then go off on one again. It's quite the pattern here.

Yes, being informed and influenced are very different. I agree. But don't you see, what I think a lot of people are trying to point out, is that just because you're young it does not mean that you are easily influenced. Agree or disagree?

Also; No. I'm not arguing. I thought I was discussing a point to be honest, the word argue in relation to the internet is just a joke.
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I'm going to be a nun to appease the OP.
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LOL, whatever.

Now I'm convinced you're a really bad troll.

You're trying to put across the point that you're a mature adult and you can't do that without cursing and trying to be offensive? Perhaps I was exaggerating slightly, and perhaps my attempt at humour didn't carry across, but I think it's a fair point.

I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. I'm pretty sure that sex education comes under exposure of sex, right? I mean, children or teens are being exposed to sex via education. Yes, you say it several times. You make your point, say someone else's points are wrong and then go off on one again. It's quite the pattern here.

Yes, being informed and influenced are very different. I agree. But don't you see, what I think a lot of people are trying to point out, is that just because you're young it does not mean that you are easily influenced. Agree or disagree?

Also; No. I'm not arguing. I thought I was discussing a point to be honest, the word argue in relation to the internet is just a joke.


I don't think it's important whether you are arguing or not.

And yes, I understand that not all young people are easily influenced, but I don't think you can deny that there are many who are.
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It's funny because the OP raises completely relevant points that I agree with while at the same time he has some misconceptions and beliefs that don't make sense. Youth today is overly sexual and even when I was 13-14 the idea of having sex was far away. However, I still knew about it and still watched HBO softcore porno and went on newgrounds and things like that.

He makes a valid point in saying that this is a site supposed to be aimed for a very immature teenage demographic. The problem is that the actual site and the members are not a part of that demographic (for the most part) so it's misleading. The OP kind of needs to understand that most members on this site aren't young teenagers or even "emos", and that's a weird concept for new people to understand.

I am also of the opinion that parents need to monitor where the fuck their children are going online if they are that concerned about it. I really don't think sites like this are harming anything or anyone. It's the unfortunate reality that kids are going to fuck.


To address another issue, people are being really overly hostile to this guy. This is a two-way problem. New guy, you are "older" than most people here but you speak in a somewhat condescending manner. But everyone else is doing two things:

They are implying he means things in his posts that he didn't say, making him seem a lot worse than he is. He has actual points (some of them a little misguided).

They are attacking him slightly for the way he words things.

And Mike, to be fair, he asked them to move their chat somewhere else and it WAS completely off-topic. I fucking HATE it when that happens too, people circle jerk in a thread with completely unrelated garbage.
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I don't think it's important whether you are arguing or not.

And yes, I understand that not all young people are easily influenced, but I don't think you can deny that there are many who are.

The word argue, makes it seem like we're having an ill mannered and impolite discussion. Also, you brought it up and I merely disagreed.

So we agree on something, the ones who are easily influenced. What's the best course of action for them? To tell them what they can and can't do, show them what's right and wrong or let them do as they please?

To me, they should be informed to the best ability and be left to make their own decisions. You can't control what a person does all the time, over control messes someone up. I've seen it happen, kids who get controlled by parents telling them what they can and can't do end up doing a lot worse. You just need to guide them and let them make their own decisions.
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The reason kids want to have sex at such a young age is: they want to act and do things older kids/people do. Sex is one of those things. Plus, they (kids) think that it is a "right of passage" or "coming of age" type thing.
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The way I see it sex is like anything else if you are willing to accept the consequences then you are mature enough to do it, if your not mature enough to walk into a drug store and buy a box of condoms you shouldn't have sex, and yes the media is responsible for a lot of the exposure but parents are just as much to blame because they don't take the time to educate their kids and rely to heavily on the school system to do the educating for them, and another thing is adults treat us (myself being a teenager) as though we cant control ourselves and that creates a barrier of sorts that makes it so we cant ask questions so we turn to the internet where we find things such as porn that tells us go ahead and do it there are no consequences.
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I'm quoting a post of mine from another thread, because I believe it's more relevant in here. I have a lot more to say on the matter, but it will have to wait.

The age of people acting on sexual impulses will get younger and younger every year because of society and the media. You can waste your time pretending that if one little emo website were to stop posting things like this, it would make a difference. We aren't encouraging anybody.


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Im on the same page Rod1. I understand that kids want to have sex but seriously they are educated about sex and that it can give you a disease or unplanned pregnancy. Thats why they should weigh the pros and cons so that these babies wont be an accident but the mircale that they are. My friend was only 12 when she was going to have a baby but she had a misscarriage(on purpose). Also if they really want to have sex the very least they can do is wait till they're 18 or probably even 16 (that should be a law)
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That 13 year old could've been raped for all you know. You can't pass judgement onto someone you don't even know

edit because I bullshit

Edited by Occasional_Desire, 09 August 2011 - 12:32 AM.

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Funny you say 'bad troll' when he's got you and a number of other people REALLY wound up. That qualifies what a good troll essentially is. If this guy is one or not, I don't know or particularly care, but it is nice to see some sort of discussion other than glomping on the forums for once.

Both sides are pretty aggressive towards each other. I think OP is particularly condescending and should really quit the bullshit psychoanalysis. Saying "I think you're this kind of person" doesn't exactly help your argument ;) If you're not able to actually contribute to a discussion without resulting to personal insults and personal labels, then it makes whatever you're talking about seem redundant. If you haven't got enough facts and opinions behind you without resorting to "you shouldn't be a parent", then people aren't going to pay attention to you. Sure, you might piss them off (which hell might just be what you're getting your kicks out of) but that's about it.

Everyone else getting riled up because he asked it to remain on topic is equally ridiculous, though.

To add on to what I originally said.. I can vaguely remember being about 9 years old, under 10 anyway it could have been younger, and making my barbies have bondage orgies. Where that came from, I have no idea. At that stage, I don't think we had a computer in the house, I certainly wouldn't have been allowed on it, my parents monitored what I watched on tv, what I read... I obviously found out somewhere, and like most kids, I became curious. Doesn't mean I wanted to go out and do those kind of things myself. I think I was 16 when I first kissed someone, and 17 (nearly 18) when I lost my virginity. Speaking personally, I have a healthy view of sex and relationships, and that's really down to the education I was given from my school, my parents, and my friends as well.

Being 13/14 years old, you aren't automatically the type of person who sees everyone else doing X and must do it yourself straight away. Generally of course there's a certain level of peer pressure and a certain level of kids wanting to do the same as their friends have, or they feel left out and "babyish" but I don't think it really extends to sexual acts, it certainly never did to myself or any of my friends.

As for this forum, it was originally made as a means to facilitate discussion between the members, helping them discover information about sexuality, particularly because we had a large proportion of gay or bisexual members, and we wanted them to get the right kind of information and be able to talk about it. That doesn't mean there are pages of discussion on how hot gay sex is. Over time, there have been threads about sexual behaviour, sexual things you've done. It does slightly lead to bragging. Whether people want to participate in those kind of discussions or not is up to them. We allow them, as long as it doesn't turn into crude discussions about exactly how I gave oral sex. The problem with younger teenagers being over-sexualised is one with our society as a whole, not with the Internet.

Thank you, the off topic messages irritated me, I'm genuinely interested in the discussion and these people feel the need to distract from it with pointless messages which add nothing.

I'm sorry about the personal comments, I suppose I got a bit carried away. I do believe that many people should not be allowed to have children though, if they are not going to raise them properly. The planet is overpopulated as it is.

I will post more later, I have to go now.
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To the OP:
okay, I'm obviously not going to sway your opinion about any of this anytime soon.
And you are obviously not swaying anyone else's.
We could go on and on and on about this until were all pushing up daisies, but I would like to move on with my life as I'm sure some (if not all) of us would...unless everyone else would like to argue with you.
Can we PLEASE just agree to disagree and get on with life? I'm sure there are much better things to do than try in vain to convince an entire forum of people that we are contributing to young kids having sex (which I obviously disagree on).

Feel free to argue all you want, but I am done here. :Peace:
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As long as they want to have sex, do it right and use protection (if they do not wish to contract STIs STDs or get pregnant) there's no problem. Oh and they stay within the national law. For instance if an 18 year old wanted sex with a 16 year old that would be fine, but with a 15 year old that would be wrong. Also are you by any chance religious?





Grats on the trolling though, grats on the trolling.
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I actually agree with the basic premise of OP's point, as I do think that our culture makes our youth value sexual availability and sexual aggression too highly.

However, I think such effects are exaggerated especially when you look at the sexual conducts of the youths in the past through rose tinted glasses.

I mean, it wasn't like the 50s was a time puritanical sexual mores. Rather, it just pretended that it was, and people pretended that this sort of thing never happened.
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Don't you SEE that there doesn't have to be a direct "go have sex" message? Kids see "I love to do x in bed" and don't think "oh that person is much older than me", they think "this person is cool and they're doing x, I should be doing that too". It's not necessarily even a conscious thought. That was a ridiculous post. And no MOST sexually active teenagers don't get STDs or pregnant, perhaps you should try to better inform yourself.

You are an insane fucktard. I am 13, I see the "I love to do X in bed" posts, and I don't give a shit. I understand that these people are older and that I shouldn't necessarily be doing X. Yeah, I wouldn't always say no if someone asked I wanted to have sex if I cared about them, but I know the consequences of having sex at an early age.

And for the topic in general, if they want to fuck, they'll fuck. That's happened since the beginning of time, they are just more open about it in a society were it is not socially unacceptable to have sex before marriage. You just generalize that all "kids" are highly impressionable, I know people from 12 to 15 that don't even want to know about sex and don't understand phrases that imply sex.
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over sexuality in the media, hmm, yeah people will be popping boners left and right, girls will get MOIST and I really want to fuck a 10 or 11 year old girl. Just kidding, I just want to kiss one. SO CUTE ^________________^
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