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An interesting read.

The author asserts that WWE effects our cultural fabric by teaching us masculinity is only defined through aggression and dominance, on in which can contribute to the misogynistic tone of our culture.

Have a gander.
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Well the only people who watch WWE live in the southern United States, so... That explains everything really.
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I didn't really know what WWE was until I read that. Now I wish I didn't know.


Wrestling, in general, is extremely unpopular in Finland. We like our ski sports and hockey. All nice and manly and fully clothed. What I think is interesting is that men actually encounter a little bit more domestic violence than women. More men die of domestic violence, too. The numbers arent certain, though, because it's more common for women to seek help from authorities.
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Probably from the same people who say that Violent Videogames lead kids towards violence behaviour. It's all bullshit.
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But WWE is so fake. o.O
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But WWE is so fake. o.O

Well... yeah. Don't know why people find that so shocking still. It's hardly a big secret. :\ Not that anyone who watches it doesn't know that already anyway. It's no different from watching a film or reading a book or any form of story.

OT: This is probably less relevant now as the show has gone back to PG so the depiction of the females has gone down somewhat. The days of the hos and lingerie matches has gone for the time being. Not to say they don't go around wearing very little but there's less skin and much less innuendo these days.

As for the violence to women part, well, that's debatable. For the most part any violence towards women is usually done by the heel (bad guy) so it's not really glamorising it. If a heel does something then that's saying "it's the wrong thing". Mind you, there have been circumstances where that hasn't been the case and you've had a baby face (good guy) do something towards a women but those circumstances are usually because the women (who in this case is often the heel) has struck first. That been the case it would be sexist to say that a women can hit a man but a man is not allowed react. That's less a debate for the WWE as much as it is about sexism in general.

As for the Chris Benoit case, that's not entirely relevant as they guy had taken so many bangs to the head he off his rocker anyway. That was more a employee health issue than a regular domestic violence issue.
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But I don't understand how people like the show so much, it's just strange to me.
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My family has been watching professional wrestling for years and we don't have people beating up women in our family. Adding this to a statistical of men beating on women is stupid.
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Chad. I doubt the people who wrote the article even watched in the hey day of ECW D;
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As much as I hate WWE, I have to agree with Sheckler.

Linking domestic violence with WWE is like linking kids to violent video games. If anyone can willing hurt other people, it's not because of some stupid show or video game. It's because they're messed up in the head.
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Chad. I doubt the people who wrote the article even watched in the hey day of ECW D;

Oh man... if the article had been about ECW then they may have had a point. In saying that, you could argue ECW promoted equality. I mean, no one was safe. It didn't matter if you were a man or women, someone was going to beat the shit out of you.
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Well, I don't know much about how WWE affects violence towards woman, misogyny and misandry, but I'm going to go with the whole violent video games thing mentioned earlier. If someone's going to be affected by something like the WWE to do all these things, they have to be prone to that kind of thing already, since millions of people watch and have watched WWE before (I used to watch it when it was called WWF too and I have respect for all people who deserve it).

If someone is going to be prejudice against a gender or is going to be violent, that's the parent's (or any mental health issues') fault for not doing a better job at raising their child to become a tolerant, good citizen. People are always looking to point the blame anywhere but onto themselves, so it would be no surprise if a bad parent agreed with the whole "WWE is ruining our kids" philosophy instead of actually improving upon their parenting skills.
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The point of the article is not to say that watching WWE makes you violent, nor would I ever validate the notion that violent video games make you violent. But rather, exposure to material like this, in frequent enough amounts, makes the behavior seem normal. That is, your tolerance for this kind of behavior goes up, making you less likely to find such behavior problematic. While the causal link between violent media and violent behavior is not well established, the link between violent media and tolerance for violence around you has been well established in various studies, starting from the bobo doll experiment in the 60s.

There is obviously one important factor that is often not discussed, which is the contextualization of said acts of violence. i.e. in a war, you expect violence to be acceptable and even justifiable. In the case of the WWE, it's more of a mob mentality at work, where once you become a faceless cog, you have no problem cheering on John McMahon's sexual humiliation of Trish Stratus. Now, you probably will not take this home to your family, because I'm sure that any parent worth their salt will make sure a child can separate this behavior out between family life and entertainment. Having said that, it is still something you will need to correct as a result of this. (and don't tell me kids don't pick this up. I've seen too many kids on playgrounds to know better)

Regardless, I would never let my daughter watch this though, as I don't want to have to correct this behavior in the first place.

Again, this is not to say playing video games will make you into a serial killer. But what I am saying is exposure to this stuff can effect how you see these things.
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Oh man... if the article had been about ECW then they may have had a point. In saying that, you could argue ECW promoted equality. I mean, no one was safe. It didn't matter if you were a man or women, someone was going to beat the shit out of you.


That reminds me....I might have to put in some classic ECW DVDs in the player. Been months since I watched them. ;) ;)
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JOHN McMahon?! :P

I think the context is important though. It's important to remember this article is 4 and a half years old and the company's target audience has changed. At the time when all the examples they used in the article happened you are talking around 10 years ago during the Attitude era. At the time it's main demographic were older teenagers and young adults. Because of that they put more adult story lines on. That been said there were plenty of times that boundaries of taste and decency were pushed and sometimes they went over and that's been something that I know a lot of WWF fans had complained about. Even though they didn't change the product back to PG until about the summer of 2009 the product over the few years preceding the change had been getting watered down gradually anyway. The sexual nature of the product in 2007 for example was not as explicit as say 2000. Now there's no sex references unless Jerry Lawler saying Kelly Kelly is hot occasionally counts as sexual references. If that's the case then I think the world is over-sensitive.

Another thing touches on by the article is Chyna:
"The most popular female wrestler ever, Chyna, (whose real name is Joanie Laurer), built her reputation on her powerful physique. But after numerous cosmetic surgical procedures on her face and body, she posed nude in Playboy in 2000 in what became one of the largest-selling issues in that magazine’s history."
Although this is true they did fail to mention how she was put over many of the men in the company and had the Intercontinental Championship put on her on a couple of occasions. The IC title been the 2nd biggest in the company at the time. Even before she had plastic surgery (something she continues to do despite not been with the company by the way) she was going through most of the guys on the roster and been shown to be equal in abilities despite been a female. I'm not too surprised that they missed this out as it does kind of step on several of their points.

On the Vince McMahon/Trish Stratus example (I believe that was around early 2001) it should be pointed out that Vince McMahon was heel at that time and the humiliation of Trish Stratus was actually portrayed as a bad thing. This is where the article misses the context of professional wrestling storylines. In the end Trish turned on Vince at Wrestlemania to help his song Shane beat him. The moral of the story been is that what he did was wrong and he got punished for it in the end.

As I say, the link to the Benoit double murder-suicide though is a typical anti-wrestling stunt though. Smells more of opportunism rather than anything else. The article was written at a time before the true facts of the case were found. Interesting thing about the case was that the media were all over it when it looked like steroids were involved. As soon as steroids were ruled out and it turned out to be brain injuries from all the years competing the media stopped reporting on the event. With wrestling been so fake I suppose they would feel that reporting the actual result of the case would validate how tough and damaging to an wrestlers health it actually is.
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My view is that professional "Wrestling" is a work of fiction with good guys and bad guys, and it is generally the "bad guys" who are doing the "evil" deeds in order to vilify their characters to the audience. Then the good guys come in and are beaten (audience hates bad guys even more!) or they defeat the wrongdoers (audience appreciates good guys even more!).

Thus the drama unfolds, and audiences tune in, cashing the paychecks. Everyone wins.

As Sarcastic Guy mentioned, exposure to this sort of thing can create an air of increased normalcy around it, but to single out one program is rather silly. Violent subject matter exposes people to violence, whether it's old Westerns, war movies, action-adventure, video-games, board-games, you name it. To say that any one holds more public sway than the others is merely an issue of demographics.
Products are made a certain way in order to sell, obviously.
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huh, who would have thought wrestling storyline could have this much... nuance. And here I thought that Southpark episode on wrestling was stretching too far.
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I could start trying to explain WCW storylines from 2000 to you but that would take all year and still not make any sense D;

Edit: I just realised something. If they had done their research properly then they could have used the Dudley Boyz face run in the summer of 2000. Buh-Buh Ray Dudley gets sexually aroused from powerbombing women through tables... HE'S THE GOOD GUY. Figure that one out.
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Sometimes, you just have to powerbomb the bitch.
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