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Many years ago, I used to be an avid fantasy fan: movies, games (Baldur’s Gate on the PC, Dungeons & Dragons tabletop games) and books. Gradually I fell away from the genre, apart from the occasional movie or D&D session. It flared up briefly when I read the first two books from the A Song of Ice and Fire series. I loved them both, but inexplicably I didn’t buy the third book and eventually I forgot all about it.

Until the A Game of Thrones TV-series came out. After lots of prodding by several friends, I decided to watch the first episode and see how I liked it. Long story short: in the following three weeks, I watched both seasons and read the third, fourth and fifth books of the series. Between all the shit I have to do, I thought it miraculous it went that quickly.

So... Are there any other fans of the A Song of Ice and Fire books? What’s your favourite instalment? Your favourite character(s)? Your favourite event?

And please remember to use the Spoiler tags.

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I love, as I think most people do, Tyrion Lannister, but my favourite character of all is probably Thoros, the Red Priest of Myr. I already loved him in the first and second book and he was only referenced to very vaguely in one sentence both times: the first time was that he won the mêlée in the Hand’s tournament with his flaming sword. Just that alone made me intrigued. The second time was (light spoiler from the first or second book, I don’t remember)...

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Then in the third book and later...

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One thing I love about George R.R. Martin is that he can make you interested in a character without ever really showing them, or showing them very little. Thoros is the perfect example of that, but also Berric Dondarrion and Roose Bolton by giving them imaginative names like ‘the lightning lord’ and ‘the leech lord’. And there’s a lot more like that.

Martin’s prose is quite clunky at times and sometimes it annoys me a little, and his minimalistic use of languages and virtual nonexistence of dialects is... more a pity than an annoyance, but it would have enlivened his stories a lot more. But I don’t read Martin for his prose; I read it for his characters and stories. The history of his world is interesting and fleshed out, which is much better than what you see in so many other fantasy works.

And of course the other thing I love about Martin is his infamous unpredictability. A big death here, a huge catastrophe there... He doesn’t flinch, and that’s part of what makes it so exceptional: you’re always on your toes because anything can happen at any time.

I loved the third book the most because...

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The fourth and fifth book were less interesting and a lot slower in parts, but that’s because of how it was laid out with the character chapters. I’m guessing a potential fourth season will combine the fourth and fifth books. The ending of both books became a lot more interesting again, and, to add to Martin’s unpredictability, storylines develop that you’d never have expected in the first book, or even in the beginning of the fourth book.

I’m very curious to see how it will turn out, although I’m fearing a very traditional, blasé end to the series with certain developments towards the end of the fifth book:

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That would be a very weak finish to an otherwise quite brilliant series.
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:Devil: Yay I Am The Second Person To Reply :Devil:

 

No, you're the first person to reply.

 

Your reply is pointless.

 

Your signature is as irritating and stupid as you are, and, just like you, it wastes space and contributes nothing.


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No, you're the first person to reply.

 

Your reply is pointless.

 

Your signature is as irritating and stupid as you are, and, just like you, it wastes space and contributes nothing.

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^ You got FUCKED UP, SON. 

 

Anyway, the reason I'm replying is because I recently bought the entire set of books. I'm counting the days until they arrive so that I can neglect pretty much everything else to read them. I can't wait another year or so for the next lot of episodes to be released, and I'm sure the books will be even better than the series was/is. 


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^ You got FUCKED UP, SON. 

 

Anyway, the reason I'm replying is because I recently bought the entire set of books. I'm counting the days until they arrive so that I can neglect pretty much everything else to read them. I can't wait another year or so for the next lot of episodes to be released, and I'm sure the books will be even better than the series was/is. 

I've managed to read the first novel, and I'm midway through the second. 

 

All I can say is that they're so rich and wonderfully written, it's almost emotionally draining. I'm sure Algernon could describe it better, but the way Martin writes makes you feel as if you're at the cusp of humanity, your heart races and your very breath is dependent on his every word. That's how he made me feel, any way. He evokes such beautiful emotion with his prose that it's hard to not become so attached and that is the most dangerous ploy in his arsenal.

 

He creates this stunning world, building and destroying your feelings and emotions without a care, but it's breathtaking. 

 

I didn't like the show.. I preferred the books, mainly because there is an unbridled intimacy with the words he writes. 


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Well, I love the series, it's so addictive and compelling, I can't imagine how great the book are going to be, since it's a general rule that "books are better than the film"  (or series in this case). The only notable exception is Twilight, which obviously is so all round shit that the films and the books are (probably) incomparably shit. 


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All I can say is that they're so rich and wonderfully written, it's almost emotionally draining. I'm sure Algernon could describe it better, but the way Martin writes makes you feel as if you're at the cusp of humanity, your heart races and your very breath is dependent on his every word. That's how he made me feel, any way. He evokes such beautiful emotion with his prose that it's hard to not become so attached and that is the most dangerous ploy in his arsenal.

 

I think the writing itself is utter shit. As captivating as his stories and characters are, Martin's actual writing is atrocious. It's repetitive, bland and unimaginative. Thank God it's clear and to the point, if nothing else, because otherwise I might have stopped reading the first book within a few dozen pages.

 

And as much as I love the great quantity of interesting characters, even if they're only mentioned once in one sentenced throughout the series, I hate the lack of any cultural diversity on Westeros whatsoever, apart from the symbolic tokens here and there that are only there because they relate directly to the story. All the customs are the same, the clothes, the food, the language, the slang words... There are no differences.


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. As captivating as his stories and characters are, Martin's actual writing is atrocious. It's repetitive, bland and unimaginative. 

 

 

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He could make it a more exciting book by cutting out a lot of things, I mean is it REALLY necessary to tell a story in seven books? (2 which isn't finished yet.) which has also taken about 7 years and counting to come out?  

Personally I grew bored, and I just want to know what happens at the end now.


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I picked up Game of Thrones about a month and a half ago to read on my long journey to work. I hadn't seen the TV series and thought I would rather give the books a shot first. It's a cracking read. It actually makes me look forward to going to work because I know I'll get the chance to read some more. 


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