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There is nothing wrong whatsoever with surrogacy. It's, as said above ^ giving someone the chance to have a child, if they can't physically have one themselves. It's also saving a life, because otherwise the mother, who obviously doesn't want to raise the child herself, might abort otherwise.
Single people/gay men/people who can't have children deserve the right to a surrogate. (I say men because, although I agree that women should be allowed this too, there are other ways. Donors etc.)

There wouldn't be anything wrong with prostitution either, if it was legalized and made safe. Though I'd never even dream of doing something like that myself. But surrogacy and prostitution are nothing alike.
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I agree with Rellik San. I don't like kidneys so I'll use blood. Would you give blood to someone who was in a car crash and currently unable to create their own? I mean, I know, two totally different situations, but in both, someone who can create and produce their own baby/blood is giving to someone who can't.
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I agree with Rellik San. I don't like kidneys so I'll use blood. Would you give blood to someone who was in a car crash and currently unable to create their own? I mean, I know, two totally different situations, but in both, someone who can create and produce their own baby/blood is giving to someone who can't.


You weren't talking about donating.

I understand the publicity, but that shouldn't matter. It IS important to those involoved with surrogacy. There are women, I know in America at least, who use surrogacy as a way to pay their way through college or just live, because the economy blows and this is an easy, you know what I mean, way to get money when you can't get a job.


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Yeah. I was talking about women who are able to create and birth children giving couples/singles a chance they didn't think they could do on their own. They use the money they get from allowing their body to be an incubator for another's child to pay their way through sticky situations, such as college. When I meant donating, I meant their bodies for childbirth instead of blood.
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Yeah. I was talking about women who are able to create and birth children giving couples/singles a chance they didn't think they could do on their own. They use the money they get from allowing their body to be an incubator for another's child to pay their way through sticky situations, such as college. When I meant donating, I meant their bodies for childbirth instead of blood.


And hookers use the money they get from allowing their body to be used as a someone's sex doll on drugs, college and/or other various things.
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Yes, but using something negative, makes surrogacy seem horrid, when it isn't.
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More to the point, what do you have against prostitution?

If prostitution was legal, a hell of a lot of problems would be solved and police time freed up.
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I have nothing against prostitution

I think ethically, surrogacy is wrong, at least when some type of payment is involded. If you're doing it for a family member or a close friend, then that's great. But with payment negotiated, nope.

The family is basically the pimp and the woman carrying the child is the prostitute.

In what ways are you able to enforce surrogacy? You have these groups of people making agreements, and the woman that is to carry the future child is being contracted. To what extent is it right?

What about exploitation and or commodification; when should we be concerned about that?
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I have nothing against prostitution

I think ethically, surrogacy is wrong, at least when some type of payment is involded. If you're doing it for a family member or a close friend, then that's great. But with payment negotiated, nope.

The family is basically the pimp and the woman carrying the child is the prostitute.

In what ways are you able to enforce surrogacy?You have these groups of people making agreements, and the woman that is to carry the future child is being contracted. To what extent is it right?

What about exploitation and or commodification; when should we be concerned about that?

When is it enforced? It is an agreement. The child is not neccisarily being contracted, but given a chance at life it wouldn't have had before. And, as far as I know, the surrogate mother doesn't usually have visitation rights for the child they carried, but isn't theirs. And if a family member was involved and you could see that child, it would be pretty depressing. Seeing the child you birthed without being able to have/hold/mother that child? It would make family reunions very fun.

And is the child being treated unfairly of is it the surrogate, because usually they have get togethers where they meet the family before the conception so as to know of they do or don't want to carry that person/couple's child. I they read the vibes wrong, that's their fault.
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I think prostitution and surrogacy are completely different.

With surrogacy, you're paying for a child to be conceived in ways that would otherwise be impossible. Genetically, the child is still the parents', only the birthing is done by someone else. Prostitution, on the other hand, is paying for an hour, two hours, three hours or what have you for sex. You gain nothing but an orgasm from it, which lasts considerably less time than it does having a child. The woman accepting the reproductive cells of the would-be parents agrees to it, hopefully having known the consequences of the agreement. A doctor decides whether or not the surrogate mother is suitable for the child and is healthy with various tests for STDs and whatnot. With prostitution, you may be paying to get a whole range of STDs, there's no official regulation for the most part, you just wrap up and hope you don't catch something nasty.

Surrogacy is an opportunity for couples to raise a child of their own, as well as an alternate couple or single parent. The couple will most likely be in love, the single parent ready for a child and the surrogate mother ready for the consequences (as I've previously stated). Oh, and the surrogate mother will be giving birth to this child, which (and I can only really speculate here) will be hard for the mother to part with. A prostitute moves onto the next job after you're done with them and needs not live with anything more than the possible shame of taking such a turn in their life.

Hell, even the situations of the prostitute/surrogate mother are different. A prostitute is most likely not at a great point in their life, they are treated like dirt, let's face it, who cares about a prostitute? Not many. The surrogate mother comes prepared for the future, hell, she has 9 months ahead of her to plan according to the pregnancy. She will probably (or hopefully) have a comfortable living situation. Who would want someone incapable of taking care of themselves to be a surrogate mother, right?

If we boil it down to something as simple as "Both of them require you paying for something you want", Alex, then we can compare surrogacy to a stripper, or an escort. Are sperm donors the same as prostitutes too? We'll have to include them, since we are talking about homosexual couples here too and of course, with a lesbian couple, sperm would be required from somewhere.
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whatever the authorities do or dont do... men are still gonna fuck men, and women and still gonna fuck women... they cant stop us hahaha ***evil laughter***
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I agree, I think that gay rights should be a... well, a right. Not a privilage. As a "gay" myself [I'm technically in a lesbian relationship] I really dislike how people can change the laws to prevent two people from eing together just because they're the same gender. Of course, I did go most of my life thinking I was straight, so I understand that some people do genuinely think it's weird to be gay. And they can think that, just like I'm allowed to think that g-strings are rank. But I'm not going to make it against the law to have them, am I?

 

I am very lucky to live in New Zealand, though. Gay marriage has just been legislated and I am so happy about that.


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Guys. Technically, "rights" as you have be describing are legal rights. Going off of what is here in the US as I cannot speak for your countries, because of domestic partnerships being legal, the only thing gays don't have is the name of marriage. They have all the same rights, legally. And anymore, the majority of straight couples aren't married either, so most essentially have a domestic partnership as well. Also, gays can adopt here, so that is not an issue. They can even claim each other on taxes.

In the words of my cousin, who is gay, "give each other a ring and set up a partnership. We know we're "married" and it doesn't matter what they think." They have the same rights as any other couple


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What you just said is wrong but I really don't have time to pull up all the research to prove that you're wrong. You should just know that you're wrong and you should feel bad about being wrong.


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What you just said is wrong but I really don't have time to pull up all the research to prove that you're wrong. You should just know that you're wrong and you should feel bad about being wrong.

That was going off of my area and my experiences with my family. I actually said in that that it may not be true depending on where you're from. I never claimed it to be that way everywhere, and I never said that you shouldn't be upset by the way things are being handled.


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One: Talking about rights ... Keeping lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transgender individuals from marrying is no different than keeping a slave from being free...telling someone they can't marry someone the same sex as they are but a man and woman can marry, isn't any different than as telling someone they can't work at a job because they are a certain race, or they can't ride the bus because they are black or they can't use a door or water fountain ...etc...etc...its the exact same thing as keeping someone down for being who they are with no control...

 

 

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Next: Throwing religion in it??? So let me get this straight ^.^ (no pun intended)...we can't marry but homophobic people can use religion to slander us, and claim its wrong in the eyes of god...yet turn around and do something they their self can admit "god doesn't approve"...?

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And lastly:
Everyone against abortion can't claim to be against gay marriage...because they are fighting so hard to keep a woman from talive and be happy...but I am totally against you being happy.. 

 

Honestly when did we start letting the government into our bedrooms? When did the government become the decider of who can sleep in my bed? Is this conversation really happening?

 


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